Blades' plan for a perfect utopian socialist society

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Blades' plan for a perfect utopian socialist society




A little background...

I live in a large (ex)mining town in Northumberland, England. The town is densely populated, so the very first thing I want to do is get out. I have two close friends near by who I have included in the plan, one lives around 200 yards away and the other lives around 400 yards in the other direction. A third friend is quite important to the plan, but lives in the next town, 2 miles away (it will start to make sense in the main body of the plan). We spent a ridiculous amount of time in the summer doing things like climbing cliffs and hiking, so we should be prepared for the journey ahead.

Now, gun laws- it’s pretty bleak. Pistols are more or less illegal, regardless of permits and circumstances. Rifles are very strictly controlled, and you have to jump through 1000 hoops to get one. Shotguns, are the only firearms that a normal citizen can really get, but even then they require a police approved gun safe- bolted to the wall and floor, a permit, a decent reason for ownership (self defence is not an acceptable answer) So, as it stands- I will not have access to any firearms in the event of a zombie apocalypse.

Survival gear.

Each of us will put together a large rucksack, as soon as we fear zombies.
Each rucksack will contain
-Water (in collapsible containers, 5 litres per person)
-Tinned food, in liquid ((Baked beans, spaghetti hoops, tinned macaroni etc.) hopefully this will mean less need for the bottled water)
-Swiss army knife/multitool
-Metal tin, flint and cheap aftershave (Sounds a little silly, but the UK is notoriously damp, while we will have no difficulty finding firewood, we may struggle a little more to light it cheap aftershave should provide the alcoholic kick needed to get the fires going) lighting in an open topped tin should keep giveaway light to a minimum, and will make moving on quickly more easy- cover, empty, pick up and go.
-Rope
-one of those small ultra absorbent towels
-5 spare pairs of hiking socks
-improvised spare weapons (in case the primaries fail us)

The early stages

Like most people on this site, I don’t expect Topgear to be interrupted with an emergency BBC broadcast saying “Zombies are eating brains all over the UK”. So I shall be looking for signs, unusual homicides, cannibalism, headshots and unusual involvement of the military/special police forces- any of these events will have me on high alert.
Once it becomes clear that zombies are munching on brains, we will put the plan into action.
Both of the friends I mentioned before will have already put together a survival rucksack each. They will also have a few improvised weapons found out, at present; the best looking options are kitchen knives, golf clubs, crowbar, axe and hammer. They will then quickly walk over to mine. I will bolt the gate on the back garden, and we will check our supplies, quickly go over the plan and leave.

The journey

The first leg of the journey could be the most difficult; we have to meet a fourth member of our crew, 2 and a half miles away- through a densely populated small town. On the way, we would call in for my survival buddy Chojisama. For this stretch of the journey we will be using a car. We will load our supplies into the back, pile in and drive. We will avoid the main road; get to his house, where he will be waiting- ready to open the garage door from the inside. We will drive into his garage, get out of the car and pack his gear into the back. This person is very out doors-y and has lots of camping, hiking and caving gear in his house. So we will see what can be helpful to us, add it to our bags and get back in the car, drive out of the garage and across the golf course opposite his house. When we reach the end of the golf course, we will get our bags out, lock the car, hide it as much as possible (you never know what can happen) and climb down the cliff onto the beach.

The second part of the journey is a 12 mile walk along the beach, stopping at a cove where we used to barbeque and camp. At this cove, we should be hidden enough to be safe for the night. It’s also about 12 miles from anywhere populated. We will light our 4 can fires, cook up some tinned grub pass a little time (It’s important to keep yourselves sane...) and sleep in shifts, 2 awake, 2 asleep. The next morning we will have a much shorter walk of around 6 miles, stopping off at the local country park to refill our water, and camp under a cliff ready for the hard day ahead.

From here, we have another very difficult day. Walking along the beach will not be possible at this stage- we will have to move inland and cross the river. This will be very hard, because it means following the harbour in until we find a safe crossing, there will probably be a few zombies around there, so we will have to be on high alert. Once we get across the river, it’s back out to the coast and walk until we find a suitable camping spot for the night.
We will have another 2 days of walking north and safe-spot camping while we sleep in shifts then, if we’ve been walking quickly enough we will be across the see from Lindisfarne, the holy island.

It can be crossed by car/ on foot when the tide is out, most days, but we won’t be crossing straight away. We will cross part way at low tide and hide out in one of the emergency boxes (These are wooden boxes on massive stilts for idiots who think they can cross when it isn’t safe). From this box, we can look at the island and judge whether or not it’s safe to carry on to the island. It should be safe, there are only 2 small windows of time when zombies could cross, walking at
zombie speed, they would be easy for the few locals to halt.


One of the emergency boxes along the way to the island.

The new beginning

Lindisfarne was once a “holy island”- most people recognize it by that name today. On the island there is an old monastery, now ruined and the stones used to build the castle. There are a few houses and importantly, lots of farmland. The island church would become the hub of the community- town meetings, and social events would take place there- restoring a sense of normality and helping the people cope. The farms are tended by old fashioned farmers these days, it’s all very organic, with little machinery used, so the adjustment would be easy enough for people to keep growing food and raising livestock.
All of the fit people would be expected to pull their weight, this could be on the farms, in the security teams protecting the island from any incoming zombies or caring for the island’s more vulnerable residents, such as the elderly and disabled. People's homes would remain their homes- their clothes will remain their clothes etc. However, everything the people need to survive will be island property. Food will be equally distributed etc. The greates enemy of people trying to survive and start a new life will be man's greed.
In exchange for their work, everyone would be homed and cared for by the rest of the island. Using materials recycled from the island’s cars (everywhere on the island is within walking distance-cars would only be needed for leaving the island), woods etc. We would fortify the only entrance to the island to make it impossible for zombies to come through, by building a tall, strong wall. If any survivors happened across the island, they could enter on a ladder which could be passed down from the wall. Rules would be simple, and would be agreed with the people at the time, set out as commandments. Punishment would have to be harsh- but hopefully would only ever serve as a deterrent, rather than put in action.

If the island rules are followed and every resident helps out equally, there is no reason why life on the island couldn’t continue like this forever, or at least until the zombie apocalypse is over.

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what happens if zombies cross from the bottom of the sea or if your crops die and chickens die due to lack of food also what if the road to the island is covered in zombies or is blowen up from the other side of the island because someone beat you? But over all it isnt a bad idea to go over seas

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I don't think zombies can cross bodies of water above head height.
I think zombies have no real strengths over the living, apart from no sense of pain.
I think in order for muscles to move, they will still need ATP, and therefore oxygen.

As for crops and live stock failing, we would just have to do everything as well as possible and hope for the best.

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you assume

This plan assumes that the population of the island lets you in, in the first place. For all you know they could just shut off the island right away, you said it would take a few days to get there, and thats after the initial attacks start, by the time you get there a national emergency could already be out and the islanders would be wary of any new people coming to their island, especially if there are no infected on the island, for all you know they could stop you from entering.

Also why do you assume that they would follow your rules and set plan? For all you know you could get there and they could either deny you entry, or allow you in with the expectation of you following their rules, which could be different from what you have set up.

Are you going to try to force your rules and plan on them because numerous farmers and their families, who actually have experience in farming and as you explained with your gun law, that there is a better indication that they will probably have a few firearms, on their own land and property they own. Against you four people coming onto their island no guns, you dont own any land on the island, and you want them to give up everything they own, since you said no one would own anything and it would all belong to the island.

You are asking these farmers to give up their homes and possessions for the whole of the island and expect to take on outsiders when in reality since they are probably a tight community amongst themselves and would probably already be working with oneanother, they already know how to grow crops and be able to sustain themselves and the community, so why would they even want to take on outsiders, let alone put some outsider in charge, one that wants to take away their possessions?

If I owned a farm on the island and was all of a sudden told that I had to give everything up, a farm thats probably been in my family for generations, just because four people showed up and told me thats how it has to be, I wouldnt do it and tell you to leave the island, if you stayed and expected things to go your way I would take you out because most likely I own a shotgun, and I would expect the others on the island to do the same, especially the people who own farmsteads.

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It doesn't answer all of your points, but I'm too tired to type loads out...
I didn't choose the island at random or because it was geographically convenient, I chose it because I am very familiar with it.

A great deal of the land on the island is owned by English Heritage, not the people.

I don't expect them to follow my rules, I expect the community to agree on rules.
I did some volunteer work with English Heritage a few years ago and have visited a lot since, I know a few people respected by the community so would rely on their sway to get in in the first place.

No one expects the farmers to give up everything they own, I wrote that bit a little bit in a really dumb way, I'll put it right in a new colour so your post will still make sense to who ever reads.
If they have a farm house, they still live there, if they grow things in their fields, they still grow things in those fields. The idea is that everything on the island would be shared for the better of the people.

The way I see it, the biggest obstacle for people trying to continue living a normal life will be the actions of other people, not zombies. When ever there is a disaster, the majority of people transform into heroes and missionaries.

Look at the 7/7 bombings in London, regular people on board the train at Edgeware road risked their lives to save people they didn't even know.

Hurricane Katrina, the entire community was there to support anyone who needed their support.

Anyway, I understand why you would have doubts about the way the people would accept us(Or not accept us at all), but in my experience, people are nearly always better than you expect.

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I have to disagree when it comes to most people transform into heroes and missionaries, at least when it came to hurricane katrina, I dont know about the 7/7 bombings, but I do know katrina.

During hurricane katrina a majority the police of the city abandoned the city with their families, thats why there was a lot of lawlessness, looting and I dont just mean looting for basic supplies to live off of, I mean looting stores cash registers, jewelry stores, and numerous other places were broken into and were robbed, of course I dont know if I can blame them, city has just been hit by hurricane, most people are gone, no police and you see a jewelry store abandoned by its owners, debris is everywhere, so you go in and take whatever jewelry you can get your hands on, wrong however whos going to know?

There was a great increase in the amount of crime right after hurricane katrina because a majority of the police left the city, so there was no police to enforce the laws, there was a increase in robberies, rape, and murder. It got so bad to the point where national guard units were activated and sent into the city fully armed, just as if they were going into a warzone, and they were sent there not to supply aid but to bring back peace and order to the city because the city was out of control, it got to the point where at one time there were over 40 thousand soldiers in the city, granted there was a mix between those that were there to help with the disaster and those that were there to bring order and go out on patrol, however all of them that went into the city had their m16s or at least thats what I saw and did myself.

Yes there were heroes during hurricane katrina however I believe there were more cowards then anything. Do you know how many people were left to die, doctors and nurses abandoned hospitals and retirement homes. Hell I even remember some of the nurses and people in charge of one of the retirement homes were charged with some sort of crime because they all left everyone in the retirement home to die, and all the elderly people in the retirement home did die, it was there families and children that were trying to get the people responsible charged, I dont remember how the trial ended but I do remember seeing it on the tv, leaving people to die without trying to help any of them, not even taking some of them in their own personal vehicles, they just left everyone and got into their vehicles and left. And dont get me started on the medevac helicopters that tried to go to the cities hospitals where some doctors and nurses did stay, pissed off people in the city ended up shooting at those helicopters and they ended up being grounded because of it, causing even more deaths since they couldnt evacuate people from the hospitals nonstop, seeing that on tv really pissed me off, I wanted to go back and go into the city and hunt down the idiots doing that.

Also if the nation is going to crap with zombie apocalypse then I dont think the people of the island are going to care if the English heritage owns the land or not, whos going to be there to enforce laws on it? I would simply think they would just claim it for themselves, whos going to be there to stop them?

Also I wrote that bit on the ownership of property because you put it into you plan and even your title, utopian socialist society, there just simply wouldnt be a utopian society since you would take the people who already live there stuff and distribute it however you want, thats just not going to fly unless you have the ability to force it, which in your plan you wouldnt, its only 4 of you with no firearms against a island of people, farmsteads which someone probably does have a shotgun.

I would also expect the community to agree on rules, just not every single one that you are going to want. Its going to be the community that sets up the rules, and if I were a outsider coming in I wouldnt want to try to press my beliefs or what I think the rules should be on them, I would just be happy to get to a area that has no zombies and is considered safe from zombies.

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too far commi or too far

too far commi or too far capitalist and it will fail need a mix.

and plans need to have detailes thus long so don't comment if you don't read the whole thing

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I agree with you when it comes to reading and commenting on plans.

Dont comment if your havent even read the plan. I mean why even bother commenting if you havent read it?
You offer no real advice or questions about the plan, you cant offer a viewpoint of the plan since you didnt read it, so why even comment?

Why not wait until you have actually read the plan, then comment on something relevant to the plan, not this tl;dr bs.

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Tl;dr, skim read, looks good, voted.

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